|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 16:00:07 GMT -5
Post by Jeff Probst on Dec 19, 2007 16:00:07 GMT -5
Good evening Castaways, and welcome to the final TC of Survivor: Bonaire. First off, I would like to congratulate Abbie, Colleen, and Jill on making the final three. It has been a long and eventful 60 days, and you three have endured so much to get here! However, we do have one more order of business to take care of before tomorrow's finale, which is the final TC.
Here's how things will work tonight. The final three will each make an opening statement to the jury. Once they have done that, the jury may say anything they would like to the final three. This may include questions, comments, or concerns about their gameplay. Please keep any personal concerns out of this because we are sticking to the gameplay of the final three only. You will only look even more stupid if you attack each other personally, so please leave it to yourself.
The final three will post their closing statements just before 4:00 PM tomorrow. At that time, this thread will close, and the jury will need to cast their votes for the winner by 7:00 PM tomorrow. Just a reminder that this vote is for the winner of Survivor: Bonaire, so you want to be voted for this time. The Survivor: Bonaire finale will be held in a YIM chat room that I will invite the entire cast to at 8:00 PM tomorrow. You don't have to attend this, but it will be the last formal chance to speak to everyone as a group.
I wish the best of luck to the final three and to the jury as they choose the winner of Survivor: Bonaire!
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 16:02:50 GMT -5
Post by Abbie on Dec 19, 2007 16:02:50 GMT -5
I guess I'll go first...
Originally I wasn’t even suppose to be in Survivor. When the offer arose though due to inactivity compromising the game I had to consider it. After talking to Yasin and Nick I felt it would not only help the game overall but give me a chance to take on another challenge as the game I was in at the time had become very drawn out and unexciting. When I did agree I knew I would be fighting an uphill battle as not only was I coming in late, but essentially was coming in as a sacrificial lamb. I was coming in to replace someone that was to be voted out the next week. On top of that on each tribe was someone I had played with before and knew when I played I put 110% effort in. I knew because of our past that both Brandon and Yasin (although he was a big reason in me being brought in) would make sure that history didn’t repeat. I felt strongly that both would warn the tribes of my past accomplishments and the way I played. Because of that the first day or so I made a point to personally introduce myself to every single person in this game that would talk to me. Outside of 2-3 I now had open communication with everyone. I came into this game as the outsider with no one to fall back on, no alliances. This whole game I have been in the minority, yet each time I found a way to overcome that obstacle. I made the most of every opportunity, every opening I saw/found/created. At no time in this game did I ever lay low. At no time in this game did I play safe. From the second I came here I put my neck out week in and week out. I’m a big believer that you can’t get anything without taking chances. I know in this game I have rubbed almost everyone of you wrong. I know in this game I have lied and/or deceived you. However this is a game. I came here to play it and that is what I did. The game part of this is now over. So for this last TC and these questions you won’t be talking to the character I played in this game but the REAL person behind it. The person most of you had an opportunity to meet and get to know outside the game. My answers to you won’t be what I think I need to say to win over your votes. My answers will be 100% true and I hope that they will be able to show you all the reasoning behind or into my actions during this game.
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 16:41:37 GMT -5
Post by Jill on Dec 19, 2007 16:41:37 GMT -5
hi everyone.... wow, i can't believe how this game has played out. i had never played an online reality game before, and until sept. didn't even know they exsisted. i applied, was accepted and i was very excited. i knew from the begining the game, my strategy would be to just be myself. game or no game, i didn't see any advantage to trying deceive anyone. i have always played sports, both team and individual. i figured when we were competing as tribes, my focus would be to win every challenge. period. i was lucky to be able to work with tribemates that really complimented each other. we had very good success at reward challenges, but struggled with immunity challenges, which put us at a disadvantage. but reguardless, we were working well together. i just always stayed true to point, when it became an individual game, i would sit back and wait for my opening and when it presented itself, i would take it. when i gave up 10 votes in the sacrifice challenge, i did so to win the challenge.
i also feel very lucky that i have made some friends from this experience. i appreciate the time that the members of kralendijk would have an open chat just before and during challenges. looking back, the craziness of working together to try and get a puzzle solved, or identifying womens legs, was the most fun for me.
i am so pleased that i was able to play the game that is did, and i did not compromise the kind of person that i am outside the game.
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 17:46:07 GMT -5
Post by Colleen on Dec 19, 2007 17:46:07 GMT -5
A Summary of a Novel Written by Colleen of Survivor Bonair Entitled The Dumbest
New York Times says: Exhilarating, undeniably entertaining and the must read of the year.
There once was a group of castaways on the Island of Bonair, so the story goes. Two of these castaways were quickly pitted against each other in a brutal battle to gain control of the island. Sadly, one by one along with several others were banished. Sent off to live on a near by island called Aruba. Aruba was pretty enough but ruled by a vicious tribe of cannibals. It was there that our two adversaries realized they had to work together to survive. And so it is said, they formed an alliance.
Mean while back on Bonair the remaining tribes were vying for control. Christy, who had been instrumental in the banishment of one man named Abbie and several others had certainly gained control on her side of the island. On the other side Ashley had been trying unsuccessfully to do the same. The dumbest one took note but said nothing.
When one night a storm destroyed Aruba and washed up on the shore of Bonair they found Abbie, Jen, Yasin and Brandon. The four were welcomed back. But rather than being revered they were held in contempt. The dumbest one, with nowhere else to turn, saw that her two favorite adversaries “seemed” a bit different. She noted this and said nothing.
The rest of you all have some recollection of the events that followed. Like when Jen wanted Ashley out, she got Abbie to do it. Smart move Jen. If Jen had let it fall on her she might have lost the loyalty of Jill, her best floater. Risky times they were, especially keeping their little alliance a secret.
Now enough about that lets talk about me. My strategy was simple. First observe, second zero in and finally..lol..attatch myself to the best player. So while you all were busy fighting the big bad Bud, I got my Christmas shopping done, gifts were wrapped, house was looking lovely and I still had time laugh. I know some would argue that Jen was the best playing but Abbie was superior to her in every way. He made every move without a blink of an eye. Now I’m sure most of you have read a post or two by me. I had a lot of private convo’s with many of you. When I would say things like “really”, “no way” or “good for you”, I was politely saying that you are a liar. Now as luck would have it one of the things I did that made a difference in my game was to win immunity. I did this by NOT following my masters orders, lol. Abbie sent me some answers and said just copy and paste them, as f*****g if. Then the one that made Jen sit up straight at her computer was my best. Abbie had told everybody that I was going to give him my immunity, there were all counting on this as it was certainly time for the “dumb” one to be on her way out the door. So I told Jen that I had Abbie copy and paste me his TC vote and that YES he and I were both voting for her. She was appalled, I could feel the stress in her post as she said and I quote “Well that’s not the story I got”. LOL oops Jen..I’m not supposed to know about you and Abbie just yet, don’t give it away. Jen had the II and we all knew how she got it. So I had a couple of convo’s with Jeff about me giving up my immunity and I copy’d and pasted them to Abbie, he needed to think I was thinking about it. But there was third convo I had with Jeff about this matter that I never gave to Abbie. Jeff don’t you say a word..lol..we both had a little giggle. So anyway, from this and my great sense of humout and obvious charm and good looks you can see, [ (pauses in reflection) hmmmm (I’m still doing a BB8Jen-a-cry over my photo)] that I am a person who DESERVES to be here in the finals.
So in conclusion, if you all can just get over yourselves I know you’ll make the right decision.
VOTE FOR PEDRO
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:20:10 GMT -5
Post by Jen on Dec 19, 2007 18:20:10 GMT -5
Okay, here are my questions for Bud and Jill. Bud - Throughout this game you have compared yourself to Todd on Survivor China, so my question will be similar. I want you to tell me, am I PG or Amanda, and why? Jill - Votes are one of the only things that keep us in the game, second only to immunity, and they play a HUGE part in strategizing your way to the top. They hold tremendous power in this game. Why did you give up ALL your power, and after doing so what was your strategy? How did you get yourself this far in the game? Colleen - your "story" while quiet hilarious does have some factual flaws, quiet a few actually. I can't wait to see what Bud has to say about it, but for now I'll take it piece by piece and insert the truth. And yes, Bud and I have worked together this ENTIRE game. It was not out of desperation but more out a realization that we would RULE the game by teaming up. And we did just that. I'm sorry your so bitter and jealous but hey, at least you get to "giggle" through it.
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:25:41 GMT -5
Post by Abbie on Dec 19, 2007 18:25:41 GMT -5
If I had to choose for you being either Peih Gee or Amanda it would definitely have to be Peih Gee. I honestly didn't see where Amanda did anything in the game and she simply got to the finals by riding coattails and occassionally offering an idea that no one else went with...Actually That would make Colleen the Amanda of our game...You however have always reminded me of Peih Gee because she was the only girl who really understood the strategy side of the game...From her big genius idea to throw comps (something you did quite well once just as she did and not so well the second time much like her) to get the 2 new tribemates off, to while being in the minority late in the game winning immunities and being the last of her original alliance to remain and have a fighting chance...She wasn't the most liked but you had to respect her game play...
So in short you would be Peih Gee...
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:35:43 GMT -5
Post by Jen on Dec 19, 2007 18:35:43 GMT -5
This is my response to Colleen's all too arrogant little speech. Jammed packed with lies - but again, which of us expected any different? So her story will be in Italics, the truth in regular type. Enjoy. The rest of you all have some recollection of the events that followed. Like when Jen wanted Ashley out, she got Abbie to do it. Smart move Jen. If Jen had let it fall on her she might have lost the loyalty of Jill, her best floater. Risky times they were, especially keeping their little alliance a secret.Ah yes, the Ashley vote. Much contention over this one. I was not the one that originated this plan to get rid of Ashley. It was my intention from the moment we made our final 4 pact to keep ALL of you around. I was not able to do that with Elliott, and then when I found out about the lies Bud told Ashley, I had no choice but to work with him. You would have come after me Ashley, so at that point it was you or me and I couldn't keep that liability around. Now enough about that lets talk about me. My strategy was simple. First observe, second zero in and finally..lol..attatch myself to the best player. So while you all were busy fighting the big bad Bud, I got my Christmas shopping done, gifts were wrapped, house was looking lovely and I still had time laugh. I know some would argue that Jen was the best playing but Abbie was superior to her in every way. This part is actually quiet funny. While Bud was the in your face player, I was the one in the back helping him make the moves happen. Again, the alliance was not tight at the beginning of the merge, but when the Elliott vote happened I knew I had to solidify the alliance with Bud. So while you may THINK that he was superior to me - we were very much equals and worked as a solid team. He made every move without a blink of an eye. Now I’m sure most of you have read a post or two by me. I had a lot of private convo’s with many of you. When I would say things like “really”, “no way” or “good for you”, I was politely saying that you are a liar. Now as luck would have it one of the things I did that made a difference in my game was to win immunity. I did this by NOT following my masters orders, lol. Abbie sent me some answers and said just copy and paste them, as f*****g if. Yeah, not much to say about this part except that if you think anything we talked about was real... then you really are the dumbest player on the island. Then the one that made Jen sit up straight at her computer was my best. Abbie had told everybody that I was going to give him my immunity, there were all counting on this as it was certainly time for the “dumb” one to be on her way out the door. So I told Jen that I had Abbie copy and paste me his TC vote and that YES he and I were both voting for her. She was appalled, I could feel the stress in her post as she said and I quote “Well that’s not the story I got”. LOL oops Jen..I’m not supposed to know about you and Abbie just yet, don’t give it away. Jen had the II and we all knew how she got it. Lol, okay, so how did I get it then? Oh that's right, by playing a hell of a lot smarter than you. And the funniest part of this whole "winning the immunity" crap was that you actually DID believe there was a compass and it had some sort of power in the game. Otherwise why run to Nick asking about the "compass" that Bud had?? And no, he didn't tell "everybody" you were giving him your immunity, just that he wanted it, and no you wouldn't have gone home that night. Remember what I told you... it would have proved your loyalty. You want trust in this game, you have to prove you're worthy. That's what that whole conversation between you and Bud was about, proving to him that you were loyal enough to trust your safety to him. So I had a couple of convo’s with Jeff about me giving up my immunity and I copy’d and pasted them to Abbie, he needed to think I was thinking about it. But there was third convo I had with Jeff about this matter that I never gave to Abbie. Jeff don’t you say a word..lol..we both had a little giggle. So anyway, from this and my great sense of humout and obvious charm and good looks you can see, [ (pauses in reflection) hmmmm (I’m still doing a BB8Jen-a-cry over my photo)] that I am a person who DESERVES to be here in the finals.There's just not much to say at this part... I'm still cracking up at the words "humor", "charm", and "good looks" being put in the same
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:46:00 GMT -5
Post by Colleen on Dec 19, 2007 18:46:00 GMT -5
Well I don't see a question there. Next?
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:53:53 GMT -5
Post by Jen on Dec 19, 2007 18:53:53 GMT -5
Lol, if ONLY you could shut me up that fast. Remember hun, this is the JURY's time to talk. Jeff said question or comment and so I decided that since I just didn't really need to hear any answers from you I'd make a comment. I'm sorry you don't understand how the game works, but the rest of us do. So go ahead and go decorate your house some more and laugh at the rest of us while we do what we signed up for. Sorry Jeff, couldn't resist. Some people just bring the snob out of me. (and besides, I did warn you about fireworks)
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 18:59:05 GMT -5
Post by Colleen on Dec 19, 2007 18:59:05 GMT -5
Jen seriously, I'm done with you. Move on!
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 19:00:20 GMT -5
Post by Elliott on Dec 19, 2007 19:00:20 GMT -5
Well, first off I want to say congratulations to each of you. You did what none of us could do. And, secondly, I would like to say that I am not bitter about anything that happened in the course of these past 60 days. It’s just a game. However, there needs to be a winner in this game, and that’s where I am put between a rock and a hard place. I am not sure that I believe that any of you are truly deserving of the title “Sole Survivor.” So, I have a few questions for each of you. Please answer them fully, or you will not be getting my vote. Remember, I need a LOT of convincing.
Abbie... First off, as we all know, your turning point in the game was probably the point when you backstabbed me. So, my first question for you is why was I on your “hit list?” Especially after you repeatedly told me I was safe and that you wanted to work with me, both before and after you were brought back into the game. You also told me numerous times you would tell me “soon,” so I think that this is the best time for you to do so. As far as I can see, it would behoove you to keep people in the game that were willing to work with you. My second question for you is this: Why did you constantly tell people that you were not in this game to win, that winning didn’t matter to you, etc., when obviously your actions spoke differently. Obviously, your constant lying, backstabbing and strategy in this game showed your yearn to win this game. Otherwise, why would spend so much time (hours on end!) constantly stalking the boards, tracking karma and alliance lines, etc? Basically, I know that you are a liar. We all do. What I want to know is why you would lie about wanting to win this game when we all know you are saying that just so you do, in fact, win it? Why not just admit that you are playing to win, because that is obviously what you were doing?
Colleen... Or shall I say Bud’s Shadow? I would like to know what your strategy was. Did you even have one? Or was it simply to leech onto a stronger player and feed off of them to make it to the end? (In essence, I see you as Courtney from Season 15. You did nothing but annoy people and somehow slip through the cracks to the finals by following your evil ally.) Also, why should I vote for you? When is floating ever a good strategy in winning this game? I don’t see why I should vote for somebody who never actually played the game. Convince me otherwise.
Jill... My question for you is somewhat like Colleen’s. Why do you think you are deserving of the title of “Sole Survivor” when it seems that the only reason you were taken so far was because of your inability to vote? Honestly, the way I see it, you were kept around simply because you didn’t perform well in competitions and you weren’t able to vote (which was a valiant sacrifice early in the game, and I respect you for that, but I feel like that is the only reason you lasted as long as you did.) I also want to know what you would consider your riskiest move in this game? Obviously it’s not giving up your right to vote, because if you hadn’t of done that you probably wouldn’t have made it this far. That was probably your smartest move, but what was your riskiest? Again, I congratulate all of you on making it this far, and may the best player win. I just hope you can convince me which one of you that is, because as it stands now, the most deserving is sitting right here in the jury. Thanks for an amazing time, and I hope to see (most of) you in a future game! =]
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 19:06:45 GMT -5
Post by Jen on Dec 19, 2007 19:06:45 GMT -5
watch out y'all... she's DONE. If so... do what we all want and remove yourself from the finals.
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 19:18:04 GMT -5
Post by Colleen on Dec 19, 2007 19:18:04 GMT -5
Elliott hi and thank you. As you read in my opening story, yes it was my stategy to be a leech as long as I could. But only if I knew I was with the strongest player in the game. I believe that my li'l Abner was the strongest, the best and the smartest player in the game. So as far as convincing you to give me your vote, well just remember how much fun I am..lol..just kidding. I don't believe anybody can really be convinced to do anything they truly don't want to do. Follow your heart sweetie.
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 19:24:23 GMT -5
Post by Abbie on Dec 19, 2007 19:24:23 GMT -5
Abbie... First off, as we all know, your turning point in the game was probably the point when you backstabbed me.
--I honestly don't see that as a turning point. I'm well aware that me getting you voted out made a huge impact on this game but in no way do I consider it my turning point. To me my turning point was when I got the second chance to come back into this game. THAT was what made all the difference...
So, my first question for you is why was I on your “hit list?”
--The reason for you on the hitlist was quite simple. The first time I was voted out was due to your "Final 5" deal. If you look at the hit list I took out all the players that were involved in it. Christy had already been eliminated and I was working with Jen. That left you and Ashley. On top of that I had to eliminate all chances that Jen might turn on me late in the game...
Especially after you repeatedly told me I was safe and that you wanted to work with me, both before and after you were brought back into the game.
--If we are being honest yes I raised questions about working with you BEFORE I actually came back, but never once after actually coming back was it brought up. Also I wasn't the only one doing so, as on numerous occassions you brought it up to me. Naturally I have the convos to prove this...
As far as I can see, it would behoove you to keep people in the game that were willing to work with you.
--I did keep people in the game that were willing to work with me. However as I saw it you were more a liability than a help to me. Afterall the first time we mentioned working together was brought up before you voted me out the first time. How did I know this time around would be any different. When I came back I was with Tamara/Colleen as well as Yasin/Jen. I was covered on both fronts...
My second question for you is this: Why did you constantly tell people that you were not in this game to win, that winning didn’t matter to you, etc., when obviously your actions spoke differently. Obviously, your constant lying, backstabbing and strategy in this game showed your yearn to win this game.
--When I first came in as I said in my opener I knew everyone would know what I had done and what I was capable of. That painted a HUGE target on my back. How do you overcome that, you try to make ppl believe you just truly don't care. Does it usually work well NO but I had nothing to lose. The reason I continued it later in the game was simply for the sake of consistency...
Otherwise, why would spend so much time (hours on end!) constantly stalking the boards, tracking karma and alliance lines, etc?
--I didn't constantly stalk the boards or track karma nor alliance lines. Most of what I said about alliance lines was me phishing for info to see what people would give up and tell me. Recall I was looking for the weak link and me a way in. As for karma and the likes I didn't have to stalk because anytime anything happened with it someone would be IMing me asking me DID YOU SEE THE KARMA.
Basically, I know that you are a liar. We all do. What I want to know is why you would lie about wanting to win this game when we all know you are saying that just so you do, in fact, win it? Why not just admit that you are playing to win, because that is obviously what you were doing?
--Again it was for the sake of survival early on and consistency later in the game. As for being a liar I can't deny I have lied numerous times in this game to almost every one of you. However that is a part of this game. Everyone (at least I hope) comes in with a strategy. Lying was a part of mine. I know it isn't for everyone but this game isn't about being nice and polite its about doing what is necessary to survive and win. At least that is how I interpret it...
|
|
|
TC #13
Dec 19, 2007 19:39:49 GMT -5
Post by Yasin on Dec 19, 2007 19:39:49 GMT -5
MY TURN!
Ok, well first off hello, and no I am not going to congratulate you guys for making the final three. Alright, I will just say this right here, I have no question or statment for you Jill. I will not be voting for you at all and there is nothing that you could do to convince me that your deserving to win this thing.
Second of all, Colleen I will start off by saying this. IF there is anybody here who knows the wrath of Bud, and what his gameplay is (not the point-to-point gameplay, just a general sense) it is me. I know Bud always takes two people one strong player, and one floater. You, Colleen are the floater. The strong player was Jen. All you did was vote exactly how Bud voted, thats it. You did nothing strategic. Alligning with the devil is not strategic, so why do you deserve to win? For copying all the votes that Bud did? WOW. So I will not be voting for you either.
Now here is my dilemma. I will either vote for Bud or I will NOT vote, simple as that. So Bud I will ask you a question and say a statement as well. You are a liar, simple as that. You told me that me you and Jen will be going to the final 3. You gave us your word on that, and if you want to deny that (which is no surprise) you did say that you wanted me in the final five and that when Jen was making a plan to not have me there, you said that you will do everything you could to put me there. So, you don't even have your word since, Jen said that you gave her YOUR "word". So when you don't have your word, you have no integrity. Why vote for someone who has no integrity? So my opinion of you is that you are a lying, decietful, manipulative j@ckass who has no integrity.
Putting that aside, you did play the best game and I do congratulate you on making the finals. So here is my question- answer it fully please.
If you weren't in the final 3, please name the other three people that deserve to be there and why. Also, please say who you would vote for and why. Also saying "no-one" is not an acceptable answer.
|
|